{"id":12221,"date":"2023-02-20T13:57:35","date_gmt":"2023-02-20T12:57:35","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/letrat.eu\/?p=12221"},"modified":"2024-04-09T05:19:14","modified_gmt":"2024-04-09T04:19:14","slug":"hulumtimi-etimologjik-i-te-vertetave-historike","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/letrat.eu\/?p=12221","title":{"rendered":"Hulumtimi Etimologjik i t\u00eb V\u00ebrtetave Historike"},"content":{"rendered":"

(…si e mori Roma emrin e vet, si e quajti Kolumboja kontinentin e ri, Amerik\u00eb, ose Bill Clinton nuk lindi n\u00eb Irland\u00eb por n\u00eb Ilirland\u00eb etj…)<\/span><\/p>\n

Parodizim i vjeter, 1997 – shk\u00ebputur nga Lista e vjet\u00ebr e State University, NY – lidhur me “shkenc\u00ebn” dhe eseistiken shqiptare, e cila shkenc\u00eb vazhdon nga disa autor\u00eb dhe sot e kesaj dite me t\u00eb nj\u00ebjten qasje “shkencore”!<\/span>
\nDmth. at\u00ebher\u00eb kur akoma s’kishte Internet n\u00eb kuptimin e plot\u00eb t\u00eb fjal\u00ebs n\u00eb Tiran\u00eb e Shqip\u00ebri, kur leht\u00eb mund t\u00eb thuhet se shqiptar\u00ebt vet\u00ebm z\u00ebrin ia pat\u00ebn d\u00ebgjuar Internetit. Qasja e shkall\u00ebzuar (masive) n\u00eb Internet erdhi vet\u00ebm pas v. 1997. Operatori i par\u00eb ishte Intellectual Communication Center – Albania, e m\u00eb pas n\u00eb v. 1998 Abissnet dhe Adanet. S\u00eb bashku me operator\u00eb t\u00eb tjer\u00eb ato filluan ta shtrijn\u00eb sh\u00ebrbimin internetik fillimisht n\u00eb Tiran\u00eb, n\u00eb p\u00ebrfaq\u00ebsit\u00eb diplomatike, ato shtet\u00ebrore e m\u00eb pas n\u00eb qytete t\u00eb tjera t\u00eb Shqip\u00ebris\u00eb.<\/span><\/p>\n

Ilir O. Logu (pseudonim) – verejtje: emri i autorit t\u00eb shkrimit \u00ebsht\u00eb i njohur p\u00ebr mua vet\u00eb – \u00ebsht\u00eb gjerman, an\u00ebtaresuar at\u00ebbot\u00eb n\u00eb Listat e University at Buffalo Archives The State University of New York, 1997 – Listat akoma jan\u00eb t\u00eb arkivuara ‘online’, edhe pas kaq shume viteve, http:\/\/listserv.acsu.buffalo.edu\/ – duhet identifikim p\u00ebr qasje)<\/span>
\n(sguraziu – ap, dhjetor 2012)<\/em><\/p>\n

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– – – \/ teksti k\u00ebtu i k\u00ebputur, si moderim, p\u00ebr arsye etike<\/em> \/ – – –
\n…Fort mir\u00eb e p\u00ebrcaktoi Dr. Rugova pun\u00ebn e qerreve kozmike. Prap\u00ebseprap\u00eb, fjal\u00ebt e tij k\u00ebrkojn\u00eb nj\u00eb korrigjim t\u00eb vog\u00ebl: Pathfajnderi nuk t\u00eb “p\u00ebrkujton” qerret e kultit t\u00eb diellit t\u00eb ilir\u00ebve, jo jo jo, pathfajnderi \u00cbSHT\u00cb qerre ilire!<\/p>\n

“Pathfinder”-i s’\u00ebsht\u00eb gj\u00eb tjet\u00ebr ve\u00e7se thjesht kopja e qerreve diellore ilire. Gj\u00eb q\u00eb shihet qartazi qysh n\u00eb baz\u00eb t\u00eb emrit t\u00eb qerres kozmike “amerikane”: si\u00e7 kam treguar me argumente t\u00eb pakund\u00ebrshtueshme shkencore n\u00eb vepr\u00ebn time epokale tremb\u00ebdhjet\u00ebv\u00ebllimshme “E v\u00ebrteta triumfon: Prejardhja ilire e t\u00eb gjitha gjuh\u00ebve t\u00eb bot\u00ebs”, fjala “pathfinder” (shqipto: pathfajnder) \u00ebsh\u00eb nj\u00eb leksem i st\u00ebrlasht\u00eb ilir: PA FAJ me NDER – shprehje kjo q\u00eb njihet si kushtrim i lasht\u00eb ilir.
\nShfryt\u00ebzoj rastin e p\u00ebrshtatsh\u00ebm p\u00ebr t\u00eb v\u00ebn\u00eb n\u00eb dukje se \u00e7’m\u00eb shtyri e m\u00eb frym\u00ebzoi p\u00ebr hartimin dhe p\u00ebr shkrimin e vepr\u00ebs sime etimologjike: \u00e7asti vendimtar ishte ballafaqimi me tez\u00ebn absurde t\u00eb rilindasit bullgar Paisij Hilendarski sipas s\u00eb cil\u00ebs kryeqyteti i Perandoris\u00eb romake paska pas\u00eb em\u00ebr sllav sepse – si\u00e7 trilloi ky murg ortodoks n\u00eb librin e tij “Istorija Sllavenobollgarskaja” m\u00eb 1762 – romak\u00ebt paskan p\u00ebrdor\u00eb fjal\u00ebn sllave p\u00ebr “paqe”, dmth. fjal\u00ebn “mir”, p\u00ebr t\u00eb sh\u00ebnuar karakterin paqedash\u00ebs t\u00eb perandoris\u00eb s\u00eb tyre, ku sipas ligjeve t\u00eb gjuh\u00ebsis\u00eb paska ardhur deri te metateza e dy bashk\u00ebting\u00eblloreve k\u00ebshtu q\u00eb “mir” u shnd\u00ebrrua n\u00eb “rim”, prandaj kryeqyteti i Perandoris\u00eb romake quhej “Rim”.<\/p>\n

Medet e vaj! Murgu bullgar n\u00eb ethet e tija nacionaliste s’mori parasysh ve\u00e7 nj\u00eb vog\u00eblsi: serb\u00ebt e bullgar\u00ebt e quajn\u00eb “Rim”, v\u00ebrtet\u00eb, ama vet\u00eb romak\u00ebt e quanin Roma! Ja, k\u00ebshtu nuk b\u00ebn n\u00eb pun\u00ebt e shkenc\u00ebs! N\u00eb at\u00eb moment kob-bardh\u00eb vendosa t’ia nis\u00eb hulumtimit etimologjik t\u00eb s\u00eb v\u00ebrtet\u00ebs historike. (“Roma” n\u00eb t\u00eb v\u00ebrtet\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb fjal\u00eb ilire: RR(n)O M\u00c2 dmth. rrno edhe m\u00e2 t\u0119j).<\/p>\n

***
\nMe siguri e dini se gjith\u00eb Amerika me gjith\u00eb kryetarin e saj Bill Clinton \u00ebsht\u00eb kryek\u00ebput ilire. Po, si jo! Emri i presidentit Clinton (shqipto: Klinton) \u00ebsht\u00eb em\u00ebr tep\u00ebr i bukur ilir: K\u00cb (= ke) LIND ND\u00cb (k\u00eb)T’ON (=an\u00eb) = KE LIND\u00cb N\u00cb K\u00cbT\u00cb AN\u00cb! K\u00ebshtu t\u00eb par\u00ebt e tij donin t’ia p\u00ebrkujtonin faktin se Bill nuk lindi n\u00eb Irland\u00eb (lexo: Ilirland\u00eb) por, si\u00e7 e theksuam pak m\u00eb par\u00eb, “n\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb an\u00eb”. Duke v\u00ebrtetuar gjithnj\u00eb e m\u00eb shum\u00eb se \u00e7do gj\u00eb n’Amerik\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb ilire, mirresha me kronikat e indian\u00ebve tek hasa edhe n\u00eb shpjegimin tep\u00ebr lucid t\u00eb emrit t\u00eb kontinentit: n\u00eb kronik\u00ebn e lasht\u00eb t\u00eb indian\u00ebve gjeta raportin e sakt\u00eb p\u00ebr takimin e par\u00eb t\u00eb Kolumbos me prabanor\u00ebt e kontinentit. Ata kishin v\u00ebzhguar afrimin e anijes s\u00eb tij dhe sapo shkeli n\u00eb tok\u00eb t\u00eb tyre ia b\u00ebn\u00eb pyetjen: “A MB\u00cbRRIJTKE?” ku spanjolli Kolumbo d\u00ebgjoi nj\u00eb “AM(B)ERI(J)KE?” dhe kontinentin e quajti “Amerike”.<\/p>\n

N\u00eb fund dua t\u00eb shtoj q\u00eb vendosa t\u00eb shkruaj edhe nj\u00eb vazhdim t\u00eb vepr\u00ebs sime shkencore, tash me titull “E v\u00ebrteta trim-fone” ku, p\u00ebr t’iu shp\u00ebtuar shkrimit t\u00eb nj\u00eb vepre nj\u00ebqindv\u00ebllimshe, vendosa t’ia kushtoj vet\u00ebm hulumtimit t\u00eb atyre gj\u00ebrave fort t\u00eb pakta q\u00eb s’jan\u00eb pellazgo-ilire.<\/p>\n

Me nderime,
\nIlir O. Logu (ps), 1997<\/p>\n

[ photo: National Geographic – Noordwijk Beach, The Netherlands<\/span> ]<\/p>\n

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[ Komente – Lidhur me: “Parodizim – Hulumtimi etimologjik i t\u00eb v\u00ebrtetave historike<\/strong>” ]<\/p>\n

“Madh\u00ebshtia e Kombit ngrihet vet\u00ebm dhe vet\u00ebm mbi baz\u00ebn e t\u00eb v\u00ebrtetave shkencore, dhe jo mbi baza bombastike superioriteti t\u00eb rrem\u00eb. Kombi matet me t\u00eb v\u00ebrtetat e s\u00eb kaluar\u00ebs, e sakte kjo nese ia dalim t’i vertetojme me shkencen e paster, por m\u00eb shum\u00eb me FAKTET se ku ka arritur sot, si e kupton dhe zbaton shkenc\u00ebn dhe dijet progresive sot, dhe aspak se si ka qen\u00eb “hipotetikisht” dikur”<\/strong> – – V. Shehu<\/p>\n

Pak fjal\u00eb shtes\u00eb<\/em> – Vet\u00eb, lidhur me ekspertiz\u00ebn dhe shembujt e ndrysh\u00ebm nga fusha n\u00eb fjal\u00eb, s’\u00ebsht\u00eb se jam marr\u00eb ndonj\u00ebher\u00eb p\u00ebr t’i “gozhduar” si shkenc\u00eb, apo p\u00ebr t’i hequr “gozhd\u00ebt e ndryshkura” me z\u00ebvend\u00ebsime m\u00eb t\u00eb avancuara, jo, sepse as q\u00eb m\u00eb takon t\u00eb p\u00ebrzihem. Me rastin e shp\u00ebrndarjes s\u00eb tekstit, qesh nisur nga respekti p\u00ebr shkenc\u00ebn e mir\u00ebfillt\u00eb, dmth. q\u00eb t’m\u00ebsojm\u00eb ndonj\u00eb di\u00e7 (n\u00ebse t’ket\u00eb di\u00e7 q\u00eb ia vlen – nga rastet kur na “p\u00ebrqeshin” t\u00eb tjer\u00ebt). Bie fjala, do ishte d\u00ebm n\u00ebse ta shp\u00ebrfillnim mesazhin e nj\u00eb “parodie” nga ndonj\u00eb forum shkencetar\u00ebsh t\u00eb bot\u00ebs, do ishte d\u00ebm n\u00ebse t’mos “m\u00ebsonim” asgj\u00eb.<\/p>\n

N\u00eb mb\u00ebshtetje t\u00eb di\u00e7kaje konstruktive \u00ebsht\u00eb mir\u00eb t\u00eb solidarizohemi me aq sa mundemi, me aq sa kemi kapacitet, me aq sa dim\u00eb (kjo vetiu e ng\u00ebrthen dhe “me aq sa s’dim\u00eb”). Besoj gjithkush e ka marr\u00eb n\u00eb frym\u00ebn pozitive, p\u00ebrcjellja nga un\u00eb e atij teksti s’ishte gj\u00eb ndryshe, dhe as “q\u00ebllim” p\u00ebr t’i fyer shkencat tona. P\u00ebr fat t\u00eb mir\u00eb shkencat tona jan\u00eb avancuar deri sa p\u00ebr lakmi, s’jan\u00eb m\u00eb n\u00eb “pelena”, as far\u00eb shkencash “lazdrushe”, por shkencash t\u00eb mir\u00ebfillta, t\u00eb konsoliduara. Megjithat\u00eb, kur \u00ebsht\u00eb fjala p\u00ebr disa fusha “joekzakte”, fjalit\u00eb q\u00eb i k\u00ebputa nga fundi i mesazhit t\u00eb z. Shehu dhe i b\u00ebra t\u00eb “yndyrshme”, sipas meje ai formulim i Profesorit \u00ebsht\u00eb arsye, v\u00ebrtet\u00ebsi, urt\u00ebsi, shkenc\u00eb – tani qoft\u00eb dhe k\u00ebshtu joformalisht, ndar\u00eb me mua si bised\u00eb emaili!<\/p>\n

Edhe nj\u00eb her\u00eb: do ishte d\u00ebm n\u00ebse ta shp\u00ebrfillnim mesazhin e nje “parodie” (lidhur me shkencat tona), do ishte d\u00ebm n\u00ebse t’mos nxirrnim asnj\u00eb leksion, dmth., eventualisht… n\u00eb t’ket\u00eb di\u00e7 p\u00ebr t\u00eb “nxjerrur” – n\u00ebse jo, at\u00ebher\u00eb asgj\u00eb, na ngelet pafaj\u00ebsia e buz\u00ebqeshjes.<\/p>\n

(M\u00eb posht\u00eb koment nga z. Vedat Shehu<\/em>)<\/p>\n

Tungjatjeta z. Guraziu,
\nParodi e mrekullueshme, por kuptohet m\u00eb mir\u00eb te mos ishte e till\u00eb. Si\u00e7 me duket mua, eshte dhe hiperbolizim. Natyrisht q\u00eb eshte hiperbolizim, s’ka si te mos jete!<\/p>\n

Mirepo, n\u00ebse shakaja \u00ebsht\u00eb gjysma e s\u00eb v\u00ebrtet\u00ebs, hiperbolizimi i tejskajsh\u00ebm nga studiusit tane (shpesh me deformim total t\u00eb gafave q\u00eb bejn\u00eb etimolog\u00ebt, qofshin dhe t\u00eb vler\u00ebsuar si indo-evropianist\u00eb, p\u00ebr t\u00eb nxjerr\u00eb lavdin\u00eb qiellore t\u00eb parashqiptar\u00ebve) \u00ebsht\u00eb \u201cdjegie e barit t\u00eb that\u00eb bashk\u00eb me t\u00eb njomin\u201d – si\u00e7 e thot\u00eb populli. Esht\u00eb hedhje posht\u00eb e t\u00eb v\u00ebrtet\u00ebs bashk\u00eb me rren\u00ebn, ose me te paverteten.<\/p>\n

Po jap vet\u00ebm nj\u00eb shembull te nje “etimologjie revoltuese”, midis dhjetra shembujsh q\u00eb kam evidentuar.<\/p>\n

Etimologjia e emrit t\u00eb mbretit Ilir \u201cBardhyl\u201d:
\n1) Pa diskutim, \u201ci bardh\u00eb\u201d \u00ebsht\u00eb fjal\u00eb e padiskutueshme e shqipes s\u00eb sotme, por i takon t\u00eb ket\u00eb qen\u00eb dhe e para-shqipes (ndoshta mund t\u00eb jet\u00eb shqiptuar dhe ndryshe).
\n2) Por \u201cyl\u201d? Kjo rrokje \u201cyl\u201d prej indo-evropianistit q\u00eb mbahet si i pagabush\u00ebm nga ish-studentet e tij, zberthehet si \u201cyll\u201d
\n3) Ketej, indo-evropianisti i pagabueshem emrin e mbretit Ilir e ka deshifruar si em\u00ebr mbret\u00ebror q\u00eb shndrit, dmth \u201cBardhyl\u201d => \u201cI bardhi Yll\u201d.
\nKush e kundershton k\u00ebt\u00eb, pothuaj shpallet nga studiuesit e fushes si “antikomb\u00ebtar”, sidomos kur e “korrigjon” t\u00eb pagabueshmin indo-evropianist, nj\u00eb dikush jasht\u00eb fush\u00ebs s\u00eb studimeve \u201cAlbanologjike\u201d, dhe p\u00ebr m\u00eb tep\u00ebr, nj\u00eb gjeolog q\u00eb merret me gurin, pale\u2019.<\/p>\n

Komenti-Argumenti im:
\n1) Rrokja \u201cyl\u201d, sipas dialekteve dhe gjuh\u00ebve rrethuese \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb nga tre variantet e shqiptimit fonetik: \u201cyl\u201d, \u201cul\u201d, \u201cil\u201d
\n2) N\u00ebse emri \u201cBardh\u201d t\u2019i vihej dikujt n\u00eb trajt\u00ebn e shquar shqip do t’ishte \u201cBardhi\u201d (analogji: i mir\u00eb = miri). Por n\u00ebse do ishte nj\u00eb em\u00ebr n\u00eb trajt\u00ebn e shquar n\u00eb Thrakisht apo Dakisht (popuj me afersi Ilire), do t\u00eb kishte mbares\u00ebn \u201cil\u201d, apo \u201cul\u201d.
\n3) N\u00eb fakt \u201cyl\u201d \u00ebsht\u00eb nyja shquese q\u00eb merr emri, si mbares\u00eb e emrit n\u00eb t\u00eb folmet ilire dhe iliroide. Shqipja (krejt ndryshe nga gjuh\u00ebt per\u00ebndimore) nyjen shquese e ka si mbares\u00eb n\u00eb fund t\u00eb emrit, dhe shquan (prape ndryshe nga gjuh\u00ebt per\u00ebndimore) edhe emrat e perve\u00e7em. Edhe gjuha dake e latinizuar, q\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb rumanishtja e sotme, nyjen shquese e ka n\u00eb fund t\u00eb emrit, dhe shquan emrat e perve\u00e7\u00ebm. Shqiptar\u00ebt k\u00ebt\u00eb fjal\u00eb e shquajn\u00eb Bardhi, Rumun\u00ebt e shquajne Bard(h)ul.
\nPo k\u00ebshtu gjejm\u00eb emra t\u00eb perve\u00e7\u00ebm edhe sot, q\u00eb p\u00ebrdoren n\u00eb trajt\u00eb t\u00eb shquar me nyj\u00eb-prapashtes\u00eb t\u00eb huazuar \u201cul\u201d : Jan => Jani, => Janul ) {Janulatos => ka shquarje rumune + bullgare dhe mbares\u00eb greke}.<\/p>\n

Madh\u00ebshtia e Kombit ngrihet vet\u00ebm dhe vet\u00ebm mbi baz\u00ebn e t\u00eb v\u00ebrtetave shkencore, dhe jo mbi baza bombastike superioriteti t\u00eb rrem\u00eb. Kombi matet me t\u00eb v\u00ebrtetat e s\u00eb kaluar\u00ebs, e sakte kjo nese ia dalim t’i vertetojme me shkencen e paster, por m\u00eb shum\u00eb me FAKTET se ku ka arritur sot, si e kupton dhe zbaton shkenc\u00ebn dhe dijet progresive sot, dhe aspak se si ka qen\u00eb “hipotetikisht” dikur (p.sh me gj\u00ebra “na ishte se \u00e7’na ishte”, apo me spekulime boshe per perandore e mbreter akoma te palindur, apo me artificializma te “korrigjuar”, te stimuluar sipas vendit e kuvendit rreth profeteve, pastaj te panumer perendive-pagane, dhe cfare tjeter jo nga erresira e se kaluares !!!).<\/p>\n

Historia i ka kapri\u00e7ot e veta. Pa le q\u00eb kur teprimet “lakuriq\u00ebsohen” vetvetiu si t\u00eb paverteta, e ulin shum\u00eb objektin q\u00eb studiohet.<\/p>\n

Me respekt,
\nVedat Shehu<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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